Things Your Minister Never Told You

09/25/2013

If you’re anything like most Christians, you have lots of questions about your faith – questions that your minister never was able to properly answer for you.

The question that started me down the path of self-discovery was this: Why does one have to seek the Truth?  The Bible says, that if you seek the Truth, the Truth will set you free.  The implication is that you don’t already know the Truth, not even from reading the Bible.  If you have to seek the Truth, it obviously must not be self-evident.  So following are certain truths about the Bible that your minister probably never told you about:

  • If Jesus was born of a virgin mother, he couldn’t have been the messiah.

The reason is that, according to prophecy, the messiah had to be a descendant from King David and any lineage that Jesus had from King David would have had to have come through Joseph (since Mary was not related to King David).  If Joseph was not the biological father, then there would have been no descendancy from King David.

  •  Jehovah lied when he said, “…there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other” (Isaiah 43:10).

For example, Psalm 82:1 says that, “God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the gods.”

  • The Bible says that slavery is acceptable.

See the Tenth Commandment re. coveting another man’s slave.

  • How many Adams were there and what were their names?

There was more than one (see I Corinthians 15:45).  Even Eve was considered to be an adam (see Genesis 5:2), as the word generally referred to “mankind”.

  •  The concept of  “The Trinity” was not a concept of the disciples or the early Christians.

The word “Trinity” is not even mentioned in the Bible.

  • You have never been told about the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven or the wisdom of God.

Down through the ages, this information has always been withheld from the masses.  Obviously, that material is not in the Bible, although references to it are (see Matthew 13:11; Ephesians 3:3,5; Romans 16:25; Corinthians 2:6-8).

  •  Was Jesus the only son of God?

Apparently not. Genesis 6: 2-4 mentions that there were many sons of God, although they may be totally unrelated.

  • Who wrote the Bible?

With the exception of some of Paul’s letters, historians and scholars don’t know exactly who wrote the various bible stories. Even some of Paul’s so-called letters were probably not written by Paul.

 

Unfortunately, when some theologians attempt to answer questions like these they start from the premise that dogma is correct.  They then work backwards in coming up with want they think is a “plausible” response which coincides with their dogma.  For example, if one were to ask what the Bible says about who created man, the obvious answer is God.  However, the obvious answer is really not all that obvious since Genesis 1:26 tells us, “And God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness’….” and Genesis 3:22 says, “And the Lord God said, ‘The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil”.  Those two verses make it quite clear that God had help when he created man and that the others had the same image and likeness of God.  Talk about an inconvenient truth.  Some deists explain this by saying that it was actually the Trinity who created man – the very same Trinity that is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

The Bible says that the Kingdom of God is within.  Within, where?  What is it and how does one access it?  By now, it should be pretty obvious that I am going to say that… these are things that your minister probably never told you.

“One of the problems is that the average Christian in the average church who listens to           the average Christian broadcasting has such an oversimplified understanding of both the Bible and of church history – it would be deeply disturbing for them to really learn church history.”

– Brian McLaren, leading Christian pastor and theologian

 

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27 Responses to “Things Your Minister Never Told You”

  1. Nan said

    And there’s so much more that your minister hasn’t told you!

  2. babarahs said

    It’s fun reading when someone else thinks like you do.

  3. Reblogged this on myatheistlife and commented:
    here is another excellent look at what the bible has to say to christians

  4. I never had a minister past the age of five when my mother was taken aside and asked that I not return to Sunday school. It seems upsetting the other children with too many questions was the only answer he could come up with. Loved this post 🙂

    • chicagoja said

      The two most common replies are (1) don’t ask questions (because I don’t know) and (2) God works in mysterious ways. Thanks for commenting.

  5. tildeb said

    My Jesuit friend tells me that many believers enter the seminary but few leave it!

    • chicagoja said

      I received my college education from the Jesuits so you should ask your Jesuit friend about who they really are.

    • gipsika said

      Sinister… verry sinister 😉

      • tildeb said

        I don’t mean it to sound sinister. I meant it to be reflective on what happens to earnest people who study scripture honestly and in depth and then find out the kind of belief-altering things their minister never told them. I still think the best way to promote atheism is to study scripture.

      • chicagoja said

        For many people, religion does eventually lead to atheism, or at least being agnostic. However, the fallacy is believing that the Scriptures properly define and characterize God. I believe that God does exist, but not the one written about in the Bible. More like the definition of great minds like Plato, Rousseau, Voltaire and Whitman. So I believe that many atheists have unknowingly rejected the Christian concept of God, rather than God himself.

      • tildeb said

        @chicagoja

        To unknowingly reject belief in such a god is like unknowingly rejecting a belief in thwadlynook gleriums. There is neither benefit nor cost to this because what is described is meaningless.

        As soon as you begin to assign meaning to something, then it becomes wholly subjective and personal. If believers would treat their religious beliefs in this way and willingly place a private/public boundary on them, then we’d get along famously because these beliefs would be meaningless to me.

        But because believers assign all kinds of attributes and causal associations to their notion of some god, suddenly I am expected to submit respect to the asserted authority of this no-longer-nebulous divine figurehead or that one – and vilified if I do not – not just to belief in thwadlynook gleriums as if it were meaningful on its own account but respect for all kinds of human activities undertaken in its name!

        I am expected to listen respectfully to leaders of flocks of people who believe that thwadlynook gleriums is a causal agent in my world and held to ridicule and contempt for daring to criticize why the belief allows people to fool themselves into false certainties, fool themselves into thinking that this belief provides a different kind of knowledge about the reality we share, that such a belief is a foundation for morality, that human bodies can and should be treated subject to its authority, and so on. I am to be respectful that belief in thwadlynook gleriums earns a rightful place of influence in politics, education, law, science, governance, and public policies because ancestors shared a facsimile of this belief! This is insanity in action once we strip the piousness away and look squarely at the methodology that informs such faith-based beliefs.

        The wonderment, once belief is exposed for this broken methodology, is that more people – not fewer – don’t see the spectrum of religious belief in nebulous notions of a divine figurehead (often equipped with incompatible attributes and features from other divine figureheads) as a clue to its truth value…

      • chicagoja said

        Very true and I understand your angst. However, you still don’t know what you don’t know or as Socrates said, “I know one thing, that I know nothing at all.”

      • tildeb said

        @chicagoja

        However, you still don’t know what you don’t know…

        But I do know that faith is not the way to find out anything knowable because it’s a method of inquiry that doesn’t work to produce knowledge.

      • chicagoja said

        Yes, if you’re talking about religious faith. However, quantum physics has shown that the observer has an impact on reality (through consciousness) and in medicine where the science of bio-feedback has shown the power of the mind over matter. That’s the basis behind Wayne Dyer’s concept of you’ll see it only when you first believe it.

      • tildeb said

        @chicagoja

        To compare apples with apples, if you mean the uncertainty principle then it does not produce knowledge. Biofeedback does not produce knowledge. Faith of any kind (an unjustified belief assumed to be true and then imposed on reality as if explanatory) does not produce knowledge. Ever. (So far.)

        To compare oranges with oranges, seeing something only after you choose to believe it does not avoid a typical result: confirmation bias. This is why the intertubes is chalk full of cherry picking data to support everything from faith-based claims of religious belief to alternative medicine, ghosts to demon possession, palm and tea leaves and tarot cards to foretell the future, dowsing to crystals, climate change denial to world order conspiracies. Faith-based belief imposed on reality distorts it and is, as physicist Feynman so wisely said, a guaranteed way to fool ourselves… and we’re the easiest person in the world to fool.

        As for the notion of mind over matter, remember that mind is what the brain does. Consciousness is an emergent property in the same way flocks and schools seem to be discrete entities rather than what they are in reality: local units obeying local rules. There seem to be no exceptions to this except by appearances at the smallest and largest levels.

        If you mean that our beliefs have effect in the world, I certainly will not argue that fact. One can demonstrate this fact easily enough by catching the next news cycle and counting the number of news-worthy actions due to people imposing their faith-based beliefs on reality and creating an effect. That’s why New Atheists continue to hammer home the point that all of us – religious and non religious alike – need to remove faith-based beliefs from having any affect in the public domain.

      • chicagoja said

        All hail the god of knowledge. Hope you have a fulfilling life with it.

      • tildeb said

        The god of knowledge? Good grief.

        Can’t you just appreciate how and why knowledge is of fundamental importance to inform claims about reality without automatically trying to falsely paint it as some kind of equivalent supernatural worship exercise? And why presume that faith-based belief is a necessary component of creating a fulfilling life? I think this comment of yours is an example of the insidious power and scope of religious indoctrination in action.

      • chicagoja said

        You completely miss my point and what I write about. I’m not religious at all, therefore, I don’t believe that a faith-based belief is necessary for anything. I’m a sceptic, myself, and I’ve never been able to take anything on faith. There’s nothing wrong with the pursuit of knowledge, but there’s a limit to man’s ability to understand (especially as to what may lie beyond space and time). For example, try reading works by any of the great philosophers. Quantum psychics is also interesting, especially the research about the nature of reality. As Confucious said, “Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.”

      • gipsika said

        I fully agree. Whenever I begin to wonder, I just pick up the Good Book and open it… at random… inevitably some or other thing jumps out at me that is in direct contradiction to the Loving Father image.

        …But earnest people – that’s not me, generally.

  6. makagutu said

    Interesting post

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